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Sample Comments and Feedbacks - Archives 2
Due to enormity of comments and feedbacks reported to FACE Intel since March of 1996, we only publish a small sample of comments and feedbacks by current and former employees of Intel for your information.
Note: The material published here are original. For protection purposes the name of authors is kept confidential.
50 - From a former Intel employee:
IS INTEL TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH?
Intel plans to build a new Billion Dollar facility in Ocotillo, ground breaking is scheduled to begin within a few months. The facility includes a 120,000 square foot clean room and several hundred thousand square foot support buildings!
On Wednesday January 5th I attended a meeting sponsored by Intel and held at the Sun Lakes country club. Over 150 people attended this meeting to learn about Intel's proposed new facility. The meeting was facilitated by Intel and about half a dozen Intel employees were introduced to the frequent applause of the attendees.
The information offered by Intel was presented by Intel's public relations specialist and was largely about how much money Intel was putting back in the community, and nothing about the added risks imposed by the new facility. The neighbors were given a positive and rosy picture. No information was offered about the potential hazards that will necessarily come with the new facility. Hazards such as a fire that could burn the clean room and involve highly toxic gases such as Arsine, Diborane and Phosphine.
The new clean room will house new processes requiring larger tools with a much larger fuel loading and higher quantities and flows of very hazardous chemicals. What would be the impact of such a major disastrous fire on the community?. The new facility will require additional precious fresh water.
How much fresh water will be used?, and what are the long term and the short term impacts on the water table and the community water supply? What is the impact of the new facility on visibility, air quality and noise levels?
Several questions were raised in the meeting regarding those additional risks which must come with the new facility, those questions were largely ignored or brushed aside!. One of Intel's neighbors (Kenn Gorecki) recalled witnessing a fire at Intel's existing facility in 1997, he asked about that fire, Intel's safety Manager (Alex Heard) answered I wasn't here in 1997, none of the other Intel employees offered to give any information about that fire. I asked a question relating to the increased fire risk associated with the larger combustible process equipment, and the higher quantities of flammable and toxic gases used in the new facility and the effect of micro biological corrosion known to affect fire protection systems in Arizona .
Mr. Alex heard replied by saying that the insurance company has inspected their plant and given it high marks! Mr. Heard's response did not answer my question, because I believe it would be difficult for any insurance company to inspect a facility that has not been built yet!
Intel is proposing to have it's neighbors live in the shadow of a giant new facility without disclosing to them the risks associated with this proposal.
The risks to the quality of life and safety are real, and remedies could be costly. If Intel is to live up to it's claim of being concerned about safety; it must disclose to the community relevant information about past fire and chemical release incidents. Intel must also explain in layman's terms the risks associated with the new plant and explain what is being done to minimize them!
Intel is rushing to obtain permits and approvals for the new plant from the authorities, the neighbors must act very quickly to find out the truth, and to be able to have an informed opinion. Intel claims to care about the safety of the community! In order for Intel to continue to enjoy the public's trust and to gain community's informed consent; Intel must first inform the public.
Samir Shiban PE
Fire Protection Engineer
Ph.: 480-821-9136 e-mail: email@example.com
49 - From a current Intel employee:
This site is not bogus!
I am embroiled in a situation with Intel right now as an employee, I can not disclose anything about it as this site is fully blocked from Intel employee access, and I believe it to be monitored by its lawyers in regards to the pending case with the site sponsor.
While I can, most employees do not feel the real wrath as is being portrayed here I can say that this mode does exist, and is at the option of managers to use. If you are on the wrong side of a manager who does not like you nor want to work with you to improve or whatever, you have no chance whatsoever.
I have a friend who is a manager and has an employee 3 weeks into the CAP, he told me that he would not successfully make the CAP. This is three weeks into the CAP. I asked him it the employee did the work in the CAP "would he survive", he said no, since it was a behavioral thing that would effect him anywhere at Intel. I pushed to find out more, he said this "what I am supposed to do, the work that he was supposed to do, effected the way his boss was rated". I have not told the employee yet, I am not sure if I can, I am encouraging him to go to job fairs an be prepared, but he has no idea that outcome of his CAP is predetermined.
For those considering Intel I suggest that you look at the Bunny People (TM) for insight. While the public thought this was a great campaign, look a little more deeply, you never see the face of the bunny person, its just a black dark mask. This is what it is like to work at Intel for many, and clearly those out of favor. You become a nameless faceless worker unit with all the respect of malfunctioning machine that must be removed. Is it that grim for everyone, clearly NO, is Intel the insightful company started by Robert Noyce, clearly NO, is Intel a place I would send any fresh insightful college student who had passion in there eyes, ABSOLUTELY NO.
as we say at Intel
48 - From a smart consultant:
After reading some of these postings, I don't know why anyone would even want to work for Intel.
Incidentally, after learning of Intel's HR practices and policies from the postings on this site, I turned down a IT consultant job at Intel.
No thanks. If they treat their permanent employees this bad, I hate to see how they treat their consultants.
I am currently considering consultant positions with other high-tech companies and for professional reasons, I cannot disclose the names of the firms I am considering employment at.
But what makes these companies better employers than Intel?
In my personal opinion, they treat their employees with respect and promote an enjoyable working environment. This is something I'm sure Intel is surely lacking judging from the faces I saw at an Intel site. Employees don't seem to smile very much at Intel (a bad sign if you're considering employment there).
No thanks Intel, I'll keep my sanity for a few dollars less elsewhere.
Keep up the good work guys.
Use this email as you see fit.
47 - From a concerned citizen:
Hello , I stopped by from a link in Mike Elgan's newsletter - www.Winmag.com.
If even 1% of what I just read is true, Intel can kiss my ass, and $$ goodbye . I could care less if they give their damn products away, I am not interested. Other companies offer alternatives to Intel, I am betting one such alternative is treating employees as human beings with lives outside of their money machine. For that, I wouldn't mind paying a few extra $$ if that's what it comes to. I would almost expect to see Intel eventually packing up everything and moving to some third rate, third world country where exploitation is the norm, and not the exception.
I am deeply disturbed by the latest trend in American Business. This attitude is what led to the formation of Unions way back when. I personally feel it reflects poorly on any company where an employee feels threatened, or manipulated into performing beyond what is reasonable. I am also appalled by the threat of job security as a performance tactic .
Intel wishes to be #1, but at what cost is this victory in human terms? Is it really worth it? Seems to me if you lose your heart and soul in the quest, then the victory is all together quite hollow .
You may quote any, and all of this if you wish to.
46 - From Kenneth L. Wilwert Jr.
Thank you for bringing to light all the problems with Intel and their employees.
I feel terribly for the people who have to endure Intel's managerial practices. I fully support you and your web site. Keep up the work. It's always hard to fight the big giants, but it can be done.
My next computer is over a year away and I will never buy ANYTHING that has Intel products inside. Also, many friends of mine ask me for advice regarding computers and technology. From now on my advice will be AMD.
Curious, I am a union member, have you or other employees ever considered unionization. I know it's tough to get one started, but it helps.
Please use my name! I don't care if Intel knows who I am. It's just an affirmation that real people are out there writing this stuff and support your efforts.
45 - From a former Intel employee
My story at Intel:
I began to work for Intel in January '87. Things went pretty good for the first few years. I was promoted after less than two years and received very good annual reviews. Our department was responsible for the development and deployment of back-end test equipment. Most of the group's engineers were titled Equipment Engineers.
A major change came around 1991 when our group was absorbed by another department whose sole responsibility was assembly process development. Despite my impeccable technical knowledge, experience and training, for no apparent reason (at least to me), my reviews started spiraling downwards. Whatever excellent work that I was doing no longer was good enough. To paraphrase another employee no matter what you did, you did the wrong thing. It's interesting that the timing of these slower than reviews was coincident with my group being absorbed by another department and also coincident with the implementation of the slower, equals and faster than peer group measurement tool. Totally subjective of course, and obviously was used to replace experienced employees with younger and cheaper employees who were willing to work long, long hours with no compensation!
Now, around 1993, my manager and I decided that it would be a good thing for me to move on and work for someone else. So I went to work for another individual who gave me a couple of new equipment/process development projects. Both of these projects were in their discovery phase and I got a late start due to lack of visibility on the part of Intel's management. Most of the process modules under development had multiple engineers and technicians to carry out the necessary tasks involved in developing and deploying a new process. But in my case, I was given two modules (which were totally new) and no support engineers or technicians. Eventually my workload got to the point where I had to hand off one of my projects and focus on the other.
Well, everything went like clockwork. Supplier selection, process viability experiments, etc. Just before buy-off of this rather large piece of customized equipment that I had been working on, I was finally assigned a technician to give me some help with it's buy-off and installation. After installation and start up of the equipment, we received approval to commence running our process with development material now being processed in our factory. The process yields were terrible (70+ %). We simply could not understand why, especially when our initial process viability experiments told us that we should attain at least a 99% yield to start with. Then, someone finally decides to inform me that there was an upstream process change and the process integrator decided that it shouldn't effect me so I was never told. As it turns out, this very subtle change caused my process yields to plummet from 99% to 70+%. I eventually proved this with a very robust experiment that was fully documented.
In the meantime, I was given another slower than annual review but never warned of any consequences or given any guidance for improvement. I requested an explanation of why I received a slower than and his response was quite simple. You ended up on the distribution at this point and this is what you get as a result. I was quite shocked, especially after approaching my supervisor on a couple of occasions several months prior to my review asking if he thought everything was going OK with my project. He said everything was fine, just keep moving forward with it. To me, this clearly indicates that my supervisor was either totally out of touch with what I was doing or he had to write my review based upon the outcome of a 5% quota of Ranking and Rating. I am quite sure that it was the later and I had become nothing more than a data point on a distribution.
To complicate things even more, my current supervisor decided to accept another position and I was handed over to an individual who reported directly to the director of our department. I really didn't know him and vice versa. In the meantime, things were improving with my process yields (99+%), operations and maintenance people were being trained and process documentation was being in place. In general, things seemed to be going pretty well. Now for the shocker! Mid term reviews were being administered and management decided that I should be put on a CAP-Corrective Action Plan.
Talk about surprise! I have only reported to my new supervisor for a few months and he puts me on a CAP? When I asked why I was being put on a CAP, the answer was Because you have had 2 or more successive slower thans and it's been documented. So now I've been put on a CAP and it took couple of weeks before my supervisor could present the actual document and it's accusations about me. It was totally obvious that the CAP was conjured up to fit the crime and not the other way around. He really had to do some digging to have something to accuse me of, so I decided to fight it.
Here I am working my butt off trying to do my job and now I am distracted with having to write a detailed rebuttal to my supervisor's conjured up accusations. When I presented my rebuttal to HR, the HR person was totally shocked at what I had published. It was a very clear and concise account which refuted my supervisor's claims 100% with supporting data. She told me that she had never seen such a complete and detailed rebuttal before. I even included a statement that my supervisor made to me behind closed doors. I asked him if I was put on a CAP because I stepped on somebody's toes. And he said Yes, you stepped on somebody's toes. It was pretty clear to me at this point that I had pissed someone off.
HR presented my rebuttal to the director of my department and despite it's completeness, he refused to drop it and allowed my supervisor to put the screws to me for 90 days.
It's interesting to note that after a complete review of my rebuttal, my supervisor admitted that he was in 100% agreement with me. Except for one thing, he wanted me to drop his Yes, you stepped on somebody's toes comment from my rebuttal but, of course, he was not willing to drop the CAP. These CAP's are clearly a tool for inducing fear and intimidation in process of forcing the targeted employee out after painfully chewing them up and spitting them out and nothing more.
44 - From a former Intel employee:
Difference between Intel and PRISON:
IN PRISON...You spend the majority of your time in an 8x10 cell.
AT Intel...You spend most of your time in a 6x8 cubicle.
IN PRISON...You get three meals a day.
AT Intel...You hardly get chance to take a break for a meal.
IN PRISON...You get time off for good behavior.
AT Intel...You get rewarded for good behavior with more work.
IN PRISON...They allow your family and friends to visit.
AT Intel...You cannot even speak to your family and friends.
IN PRISON...There are wardens who are often sadistic.
AT Intel...They are called supervisors, managers, and executives.
43 - From a current Intel employee:
Great site! Keep up the good work. The picture you have presented here is pretty gloomy, but let me tell you, it's sadly true.
For me, it all began back a few years ago when an Intel recruiter called about a senior equipment maintenance position in chip manufacturing. The sales pitch was pretty good. Stock options, low cost of living in the work location, paid relocation, industry competitive wages, great place to work.
It all sounded pretty good, but how about the pay? "What would I accept?", he asked. I gave him the hourly rate I was making at the time. (same industry, same position) He just about choked. So I conceeded I would accept a bit less given how much I wanted to move to the job location. We set up a date and Intel flew me in for the intereview.
The interview was my most grueling ever experienced. Aside from heavy drilling on specific knowledge, the whole battery of "how would you handle this type of situation, please give me some examples" left me completely exhausted. I slept the whole way on my return flight home. A few days later I got a call and was told Intel wanted to make an offer.
Their first offer was 20 percent less than my base pay. I declined. The next day they called back and offered 12.5 percent less than my current pay. Again I declined, but eventualy was swayed with the benifit package, stock options, and a claimed lower cost of living. I tried to get more out of them, but they would not budge. They maintained "any higher of a wage would make it too difficult to get promoted later on".
Silly me decided to put money aside and take the offer based on the location. Happiness or money...I went with happiness....or so I thought until I found out my car insurance was going to nearly triple, and I had to move 30 miles away to afford an apartment. Somehow I felt I had been deceived. This was only the beginning. Too late now, I already gave my notice.
When I got the confirmation letter I found I was hired as a manufacturing technician. They never mentioned I would be a tool operator during the sales pitch or the interview. Immediately I called Human Resources and asked specifically if I was an equipment maintenance technician or an operator. They swore up and down I would never have to run product. They swore the position would be only to fix equipment. So, I asked to have a job description mailed to me. As you might have guessed, the job description never arrived.
Nearly half of my time at Intel has been running product. The stock options I got were granted on the same day the stock market peaked, then the following week it plummeted. My requests for an adjustment were laughed at. The first meeting with my supervisor left me with promises of a promotion within six months due to getting hired too cheapy. Never got promoted, instead recieved an satisfactory/equal too and a mere 3% raise. The moral of this story is don't believe anything Intel tells you unless it is in writing. Further, the GAME at intel is you will NEVER get anywhere doing the job they told you about in the interview.
The only people who get ahead at Intel are suck-ups and workaholics. They will always point out something you still need to work on. I am not just saying this, it is truley fact. Further, you will be penalized and written up for every mistake you make. Never admit error at Intel. The R&R process is a scam. I have actually seen the orders from managment stating what the percentages are of who will fall into what catagory.
This is not something ficticious, it is real. Having worked for 3 other companies within the same industry, I can fully attest it is much easier moving ahead at any of them. Always remember, Intel is out there to take advantage of you, and if you speak up, they will target and find a way to fire you. Intel likes sheep, so dont be a wolf if you expect to remain there.
Please feel free to post this as you please....keeping my email confidential of course.
42 - From a concerned citizen:
Dear Face Intel,
I was shocked about the information on your web site and have made a clear decision that my next PC with have no Intel inside. In addition, I have forwarded the links to your web pages to my friends using a computer or working in the computing industry. I think that if more people would know about these work practices less people would buy Intel products, since the same people do refuse to buy products made under unethical circumstances in the 3rd world.
I hope therefore, that you manage to place more articles on these issues in computer magazines all over the world. And yes, if more people would leave Intel and look for an employer not treating his people like dirt, Intel would have to change its practices.
Since my current employer has a clear Intel policy, please do not publish my name, but feel free to publish my message in order to encourage other buyers of computer equipment to make a concious decision, whether they want to contribute with their money to allow Intel to act like they do now.
I wish you all the luck you need
42 - From a current Intel employee:
Dear FACE Intel
Thank you for your site.
With the power of the Internet, people can communicate freely, directly and truthfully for the first time in human history. "Power to the people," a call to action heard 'round the world in my youth is now a reality.
Everything said on your web site is true. And all of Wall Street should be reading it as the future of Intel is clearly spelled out there.
Intel is now experiencing the beginning of the end and is frantically consuming its' self by the abusive employee practices. I have never seen so many incompetent managers collected in one place. Never. It is just amazing.
My strategy for survival is to let Intel continue to pay for my education while I continue to practice "giving good face"....a skill taught to me by managers....get my Masters, then run like hell.
Oh yes, and today I plan to purchase a laptop and it will have an AMD chip inside.
Of course, I expect you to keep my name out of it. "Open communication," an Intel value, would be my professional death. But you are welcomed to post my message.
41 - From a former Intel employee:
"Evil flourishes when good people do nothing."
It's so great that you have the courage to stand up to Intel!
Did you ever see the movie "Marie"? It's great, and is based on a true story. To paraphrase a key line from the movie, "Evil flourishes when good people do nothing."
I think the folks at Intel have rationalized some of what they do to themselves to such a point that they've lost perspective. For example, they use sanitized words such as "counseling" to describe attempts at intimidation. Although, I don't usually like to be so dogmatic, I do believe that some of Intel's actions qualify as "evil." It's only by the courage and actions of good people that they can be stopped.
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