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      Decided against Intel
Beaten, scrutinized & abused Key for new workers IBM over Intel RCG left Intel for AMD
Students hated Intel No to Intel, yes to AMD RCG rejects Intel What Intel doesn't tell you
Questions to ask Intel Questions for students Right choice Conclusion

From a graduating college student

Dear FACE Intel,

Thanks very much for your informative website. I'm a graduating college student who at one time considered applying to Intel for a full-time job, but after reading some of the information on your website, decided against it. I hope this information will benefit even more graduating/recently graduated college students.

I'd appreciate remaining anonymous..thanks!

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From a current Intel employee

Beaten, scrutinized and emotionally abused on a regular basis

I would like to share my experiences at Intel with your site.  I was one of many that was hired  six years ago.  Like so many I came into what I believed was a "world class" organization that treated it people fairly.  It took me a few short months to realize how wrong I was.  It's difficult to pin point the exact source of the problem, but I do believe it has something very much to do with instilling fear and using that to motivate people.  This fear manifests itself in some very interesting survival behaviors.

It seems that the rewards and punishments are a very significant part of the Intel culture.  On one hand you will get cash bonuses, T-shirts, trinkets and other recognitions.  You'll be told how great Intel is. 

You’ll be inundated with "Let's be team!" at every turn. On the other hand you will get threats (privately) by your manager and supervisor akin to losing your job.  Always working harder because the "other guy" is and they’ll be more successful than you (aka, keep their job)!    A colleague of mine once made an analogy like it being in a situation where you got all the money, food and luxuries you wanted, yet were beaten, scrutinized and emotionally abused on a regular basis.

I've actually been present in  R&R sessions where supervisors and managers "get rid" of good employees.  The employees they "like" seem to do everything wonderfully. The employees they "dislike" have a case built against them.   It has nothing to do with performance.  It has everything to do with perception.   It is shocking to see.  The R&R system  process has become a way to find that bottom 5-7%  that will get "the performance message".  Hence the fear factor by the population at large My only hope in sharing this was to let others know that if you’ve experienced these things, you are not alone.  Intel could be much, much better in many ways.  I think there are some fundamental flaws that have allowed it to become a paradox.  Things like instituting an accountable feedback system "up" the ladder rather than down would help keep the power lords in check.  Also understanding that diversity is more than those attributes protected by laws, but in the spirit of freethinking and approach.

I would rather to stay anonymous, I hope you understand why.

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From a former Intel employee

Key for new workers:

Intel has changed. It used to be a great place to work. I have noticed the change within the last two years. I worked for Intel for 13 years within one day, I was surprised by a notice I was gone. I was sliced off within 15 minutes of surreal time and space. I could not believe it. My review was satisfactory and I had in fact actually won an achievement award and I was working well with the other teams.

Corporate Intel call Intel a meritocracy, which means one is promoted according to merit Employees are judged yearly and evaluated and then rank ordered against their peers. This is very interesting math. Every review people are measured according to their productivity and then how they "rank" next to their peers. Here’s the catch. My productivity was fine and my work was deemed satisfactory; but I "ranked" barely below the 33 percentile compared with my peers. Normal statistics distribution says that 95.44 of the sample usually falls between first and second standard deviation (above and below the mean). I was well within this margin. The intent of "ranking" was to be an indication for employees to see where they can beef up their skills. The rules changed. I was dismissed because of "peer comparison alone". Key for new workers: Play the politics and watch the math, Intel is not based on teamwork and your neighbor is also your competition when it comes to ranking. Philosophy now functions on competition which means BEAT your peers, BEAT your team members but put on the good citizen face appear otherwise.

I remember time and time again, when I possessed information and knowledge which was helpful to my peers. I reminded my self that we are all on the same team and I gave everything I knew or had away because of a team spirit. After all, this is the right thing to do. I was wrong, at least within this environment at this point in time. As Andy said, "Only the paranoid survive." Key for new workers: Be paranoid, but if the paranoia becomes part of your internal being escape and reclaim your moral self.

Intel used to be fun and there was a sense of teamwork and work that clustered around projects. The company even had a corporation list of values and "having fun" was included. This corporate value was excluded in 1998. Fun was never defined as frolic to the expense of real work. It was fun in being with a good Intelligent team and doing good work. Key for new workers: Intel is not fun.

Intel sings to new employees that family is important - It is lip service. If Intel can hire two people to work a 60 hour week, then it will save the cost of an additional person or head. Key for new workers: Have a long hard discussion with your spouse.

Intel has a culture which listens to the employees and has an open communication Lip service again. For example. Intel has a "communication time" set aside for manager/worker It is called a one on one. The concept was great and had good intentions and worked in the past. The form has crumbled. I once told my manger that I would really like to get back to working a 10 hour day (Instead of the 12+). He yelled at me. My co-worker mentioned to her manager that she didn’t want to work for another manager. The message went straight up to the next in line manger. The Intel culture has (had) set the 1:1 time as a time for OPEN DISCUSSION of ideas, problems, and was a time where there could be candor without judgment. Wrong. Intel has changed. Key for new workers Play the game and don’t share thoughts or feelings.

Intel needs to examine the guiding principles and values of the company.

name withheld

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From a RCG who took IBM over Intel

I really appreciated your website. I wasn't even looking for it. I am a college student that was being recruited and had narrowed down my options to IBM in Boulder and Intel in Phoenix. When I first interviewed in Phoenix my first impression was a place where there was a heavy emphasis on meeting deadlines and working like crazy. The beehive atmosphere and the interview with my prospective manager scared me.

I almost took the job though because of the compensation. Then I realized that I was going against my gut instinct, and that was to get the hell out.

After I had made my decision I was randomly searching and found your site. Even though I can't take all the information on here as the gospel, I did get the sense that my first impressions were based upon something factual that others working there had experienced. I appreciated the information and wish you all the best. Hopefully one day Intel will be a place that employees enjoy working. It is no surprise to me that they have slipped almost 30 places since last year in Fortune Magazine's 100 best companies to work for rankings.

Good luck and keep this page up. I almost joined up.

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From a former Intel employee (RCG), who left Intel to work for AMD.

I want to be specific about the problems I encountered while working at Intel.  The Application Engineer (AE) position had a job description that I thought matched my programming, technical skills, and computing interests very well.  It was a match all right ... a match made in HELL.

PROBLEM 1 Only 3 of the 8 AEs (myself being one) had experience that applies to the position.  This resulted in others not pulling their weight and relying on us too much.  The Manager clearly stated in a staff meeting, "I don't care how things get done, so long as they get done."   Those that did the work end up feeling abused, and these others were paid to be lazy.  There is a trait called WILLINGNESS TO LEARN that most people lack. 

PROBLEM 2 The Manager was gone a lot; hard to reach; hard to talk to when he was there because of being on the phone or in meetings; didn't respond clearly to email; didn't hold regular staff meetings (until the last few months of my employment).  He was a Yes-man for the Dept. manager, who in turn was a Yes-man for his manager.

PROBLEM 3 Dept. manager clearly stated, while standing in a fellow AEs cube next to mine, "I don't care what we do, so long as my stock goes up." The job description would magically change to fit his financial greed.

PROBLEM 4 Job description changed often.   The duties I performed went from technical (analysis of code) to information gathering and brokering to/from ISVs about what they plan on doing in their titles, then being a Data Entry Specialist by entering this information in a database.

PROBLEM 5 Senior AEs felt they could boss junior AEs around.  Manager had no problem with it.  Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It was all a game of power and who could kiss the most ass.

PROBLEM 6 Travel expenses abused by senior AEs.  Example was visiting an ISV with a senior AE, stopped at a restaurant to eat.   I offered to pay the bill on my Corporate VISA then expense it.  He told me, "You don't know the trick.  You each pay your part with cash, then put a higher amount on your expense report.  Intel allows you to spend $25 a day without requiring a receipt.  You can make out with a small amount of money that way, and it adds up."

PROBLEM 7 Manager "reminded" several of us that were RCGs that "we were still on probation, you should watch it."

PROBLEM 8 Manager always made lewd sexual comments to others in group if he thought you wouldn't tell.  One comment to a fellow AE that later told me was, "I'm glad to see that <female name> is wearing a short tight skirt today."  When I received a copy of my corporate file and read over the "Grounds for Termination" sheet, at least one of the items on the list applied to EVERYONE in the group, including myself.  It just goes to show that Intel chooses at their convenience and will let others slide if their nose is brown enough.

PROBLEM 9 "Travel required" often turned into 1-2 weeks gone each month, a few days here and there.  It affected my personal relationship, my workout schedule, my sleep pattern, my ability to get work done effectively, and my attitude.  To all college students considering employment at Intel DON'T.  Things will look pretty from the outside, and you may even get lucky and end up in a decent group, but you WILL eventually end up in a bad situation.  I can guarantee that you will hear horror stories from Day One from other people, whether they are co-workers or friends from other departments.  Think about it ... is a little bit of money REALLY worth letting yourself be abused, feeling unhappy, feeling stressed, feeling watched, feeling that you have to watch who you speak with for fear of being stabbed in the back?  Intel likes to promote a place of learning, and you will learn ... not new skills, but learn to do as you're told, make no decisions for yourself, and become mired in unhappiness.

Recruiters are ALWAYS going to paint a pretty picture.  If they told people the truth, then no one would want to believe in their product/company.  It's everywhere in life, but do you want it at your place of employment where you must go EVERY DAY????  It will slowly eat you up, until either you leave in disgust, or you are broken down and brainwashed enough that you don't realize what is happening to you any more.  One day you may wake up, but it may be extremely difficult because those golden handcuffs that Intel puts on everyone will be hard to take off because of a house, kids, etc.  Think about your ultimate happiness and need to feel like a human being.

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Co-op students turned against Intel in Ireland!


I would like to share my short-lived experiences of Intel with you, particularly Recent College Graduates (RCG's) contemplating a job offer from Intel.

In April 1998 I was hired along with 15 other university students on the Intel Co-op scheme in Fab 10/14 in Ireland. I spent 6 months working there and gained a valuable insight into the company.

Intel, at first, seemed an excellent and prosperous company to work for. This turned out to be a misconception. Sure Intel have spent millions on marketing their image. Don't be fooled though, read through this web site and make up your own mind. My experiences were not particularly unpleasant, however, other Co-op students' were. Typical complaints were long hours and stress. Lunches?, breaks?, what are they?

Most of us Co-op students turned against Intel. We found we were talking in the Intel language, living Intel and getting generally "down". One guy in particular, communicated his genuine feelings at his exit interview. He basically outlined the reasons why he would not return to Intel, why he hated the place and the system. This honesty was a shock to the interviewer who apologized: "I'm sorry that you had a negative experience at Intel". In reality, many people have had negative experiences.

I can completely identify with this web site. The wonderful people that I worked with all appeared to be sick of their job, the policies, the long hours, the back-stabbing, poor management, the interference of their job with their family life, the sly tactics, the R&R system. In general they seemed depressed and stressed out.

However, I feel I am one of the lucky ones. I got to spend 6 months within Intel on a temporary basis. This was just enough time to observe others, the system and the general "well-being" of the workforce. In short I got a real insight into the company and WOULD NOT recommend Intel as a "great place to work".

If you are or will soon be a Recent College Graduate answer this: what would you like from your first real job?  A challenge?, respect?, good employment standards?, a long term job?  If any of these is your wish then forget about Intel. Intel will do their utmost to belittle you and the unique talents you may bring to the job. Do read through this site, I could identify with most of it - and I only spent 6 months there.

You may be reading this saying to yourself, "this guy's bitter", or, "he had a bad experience". The truth is I'm not bitter or disgruntled. I had a 6 months of work experience at Intel and was reassured of the fact that I will never want to be an  employee of Intel. My message is simple: If you are offered a job in Intel: refuse it, you are a worthwhile person and deserve to be respected. Do not be fooled by the market image of Intel. Do not rate Intel in your mind above any other company.



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From a RCG who left Intel to work for AMD

I read in the August 20, 1998 USA Today about vindictive ex-employees on their employers, and there was a URL about your web page.  I immediately went to your web page and have been reading it since.  IT'S ALL TOO TRUE.

I have a story to tell and would like to join FACE.

I graduated from college in June 1997 and interviewed for an Application Engineer position in Developer Relations Group (DRG) at Jones Farm in Oregon.   I was working at Intel Jones Farm at the time as a contractor, and had done so for 3 years prior to my interview.  I had seen some poor management, and had worked with engineers who were upset about not being promoted, long hours, interference with their family life, etc. but I didn't take it as seriously as I should have.  I attribute this to being young and naive.  I'm 26 and was hired as an RCG.

I was recently targeted for redeployment.  I can give you all of the details of my group, the insane bullshit and tactics that went on, and other horror stories later. Long story short, I had already been looking for a new job for 2 months when I was "notified" by my manager.  I had even wished to transfer to TCG so I could voluntarily be redeployed and get 5 months of pay.  My last day was 8-21-98 and I haven't been to work since 7-24-98 as my manager and I agreed upon.

Several times I wrote email to HR and to the entire DRG management chain to address issues that my manager and Dept. Manager were ignoring.   I was always amazed at how much misinformation I received from management, how I had to track the right information down, how I had to waste a monumental amount of time doing so, and how frustrated I was at the entire system and those involved in PLAYING THE GAME.  It's a pathetic joke, a giant group of losers in life who are scratching each other's back so they can all be lazy, no matter who they screw over.

Anyway, I've never been happier in my life.  I got 5 months of pay, I'm no longer surrounded by evil people (who will eventually get theirs, and if you believe in God, they will rot in hell), I'm not around idiots and lazy people.  The best part? I have received a great offer from AMD and will start work on 10-12-98. I interviewed there on 8-17-98, and let me tell you, the entire company (people, environment, etc.) are 180 degrees different than Intel.   The people are smart, the people are nice, they want to work, they do what's right, they are seriously making Intel shake in their boots, the manager's believe in leading by example and knowing what they are asking you to do and being able to do it themselves before sending you off on a suicide mission ... it was like a breath of fresh air.   My new manager even said, a few days after the interview, "You made it sound like you were in a lousy situation." I told him, "I was asked questions, I give 100% honest answers.  You never have to guess where things stand with me."

I'm sure I've left out some details that are important, but just about anything on the FACE site applies in my case, as far as HR and management policies are concerned.  I've never been around such a lazy and stupid group of people in my life, and to think they are all getting paid the same or more as me is completely insulting.

I'd like to tell my complete story and have it added to your web site.  I have so many insane horror stories it will drive you nuts.  All I know is that my young, silly, don't be a sellout attitude made me persevere and still be happy.

Keep up the good work.  We need to spread your URL to more publications and web pages.  I've been telling everyone I know, both at other companies and people on IRC about the web page.  I've even convinced an IRC friend who was considering applying at Intel after he gets his masters in a year to NOT come to Intel.  I've shown him my review.  I've told him my horror stories.  He's sick to his stomach.  It would be nice to get an article in The Oregonian, Oregon's major newspaper.  Oregon is Intel's big home (besides CA), so they need to be shown for the real snakes they are.


Reporting from AMD

I want to be specific about the problems I encountered at Intel.  The Application Engineer (AE) position had a job description of (this isn't verbatim), "Work with ISVs, mainly game companies, to help them achieve platform scalability in the titles that Intel has targeted.  Requires knowledge of PC architecture, Assembly programming. Travel required."  My take on this was that I would be doing code analysis and helping game companies to optimize their title to run better on Intel architecture.   To me this means real engineering work, knowledge of game design, knowledge of graphics APIs such as OpenGL and DirectX, knowledge of PC architecture, knowledge of C and Assembly programming, and most importantly a passion for computer games and a willingness to learn things that you may not know.  Fortunately for me, I've been a gamer for 15+ years and have been programming for 10+ and have done quite a bit of programming and reading of graphics algorithms, etc.  Seemed like a match made in Heaven ... it turned out to be a match made in HELL.

PROBLEM 1: Only 3 of the 8 AEs in Oregon (another group of AEs are in Folsom), myself being one, had experience in any of the categories that would be important to be effective.  Everyone else had no knowledge in the areas listed above, and/or no real interest in learning anything in those areas.  They would rely on myself and the other guys who knew stuff for answers.  The Manager clearly stated in a staff meeting, "I don't care how things get done, so long as they get done." So I and the other guys should feel abused, and these others should be paid to be lazy?  There are concepts called EARNING and EFFORT.  The same people lead their life outside of work the same way.

PROBLEM 2: The Manager had no background in areas pertinent to my job duties.  He was gone a lot; hard to reach; hard to talk to when he was there because of being on the phone or in meetings; didn't respond clearly to email; didn't hold regular staff meetings (until the last few months of my employment, after several of us responded to then Dept. manager's request for feedback on our manager), which were worthless anyway.  He was a stooge for the Dept. manager and would do anything he wanted done, no matter how it meant treating us.  Unfortunately no one has enough time to constantly check on someone being available to speak to for a few minutes, so anyone would eventually stop trying.  This is a good way to dodge issues and actually having to work.

PROBLEM 3: Dept. manager clearly stated, while standing in a fellow AEs cube next to mine, "I don't care what we do, so long as my stock goes up."  He would say yes to anyone, even if it wasn't in the job description.

PROBLEM 4: Job description changed often.  The job ended up being information gathering and brokering to/from ISVs about what they plan on doing in their titles, then entering this information in the Almighty Database.  The Dept. manager had the brainchild of creating this database "to track how we work with ISVs and to keep them on target to achieve the platform scalability, to RAISE THE BAR."  I've heard that way too much.  We were all expected to play secretary to make it look like we were doing something.  The reality was that ISVs have their own schedule and won't comply to our wishes simply because WE ARE Intel.  That strong arm tactic is so disgusting, I literally went home a few times feeling so ill to my stomach that I couldn't think straight.

PROBLEM 5: Senior AEs felt they could boss junior AEs around.  Being given orders by someone other than your manager is wrong, but manager turned a deaf ear to it.   Telling them NO would result in manager saying "do it."  Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.  It was all a game of power and who could kiss the most ass.

PROBLEM 6: Travel expenses abused by senior AEs.  Example (this actually happened to me): was visiting an ISV with a senior AE, stopped at a restaurant to eat.  I offered to pay the bill on my Corporate VISA then expense it.  He told me, "You don't know the trick.  You each pay your part with cash, then put a higher amount on your expense report.  Intel allows you to spend $25 a day without requiring a receipt.  You can make out with a small amount of money that way, and it adds up."  The same guy told me to request a blank receipt when taking a taxi, then fill in a higher amount than you paid. Many other abuses happen, and I'm sure the manager and on up the chain abuse it.

PROBLEM 7: Manager "reminded" several of us that were RCGs that "we were still on probation, you should watch it."

PROBLEM 8: Manager always made lewd sexual comments to others in group if he thought you wouldn't tell.  One comment to a fellow AE that later told me was, "I'm glad to see that <female name> is wearing a short tight skirt today."  I can't honestly say that I don't say twisted stuff, but the only way in which I'll talk about someone at work is by their Intelligence. When I received a copy of my corporate file and read over the "Grounds for Termination" sheet, at least one of the items on the list applied to EVERYONE in the group, including myself.  It just goes to show that Intel chooses things at their convenience and will let others slide if their nose is brown enough.

PROBLEM 9: "Travel required" often turned into 1-2 weeks gone each month, a few days here and there.  It affected my personal relationship, my workout schedule, my sleep pattern, my ability to get work done effectively, and my attitude.  Some of this may be my fault for not making the call on when I REALLY needed to go somewhere, but the process dictated that someone go here when this marketing person requests your presence or this meeting is being held, we need a secretary.

Long story short, job description changed at Dept. Manager's whim.  What I understood to be a real engineering position as described by the above criteria, turned out to be a secretarial job. People in the group sucked.  I've had a different experience at Intel and had a really good manager (because he had a technical background and was an engineer for some time at Intel), but I've heard too many stories from too many people at Intel that I can safely say that, when it's all said and done, Intel is a bad place to work.

The real kicker is that AMD and Intel are night and day.  The people at AMD are Intelligent.  They work hard.  They are excited each day.  The manager doesn't put up with baloney.  He gives me the right info.  He actually helps me work at times because he has a technical background.  There isn't an overtone of fear and laziness and back stabbing.  People work as necessary and don't let it ruin their personal life, and aren't expected to do so (unlike Intel).  Because of all of the positive items in the work environment at AMD, I am a happier person and can get my work done much more effectively.  I actually want to stay at work longer because I'm excited; I look forward to going back to work each morning; everyone is much more helpful and willing to go out of their way to help point you in the right direction; I'm having fun, getting work done, and learning new things!  I have a smile on my face and a general feeling of "this is the way it should be". 

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From a RCG (Recent College Graduate)

I found your website about Intel amusing. I interviewed with Intel in Portland as a recent college graduate back in October of 1997.

I read on your site that they had a 2-yr contract with a relocation package, etc for RCG's . I don't think I ever read anything like that in my paperwork with them. But I can tell you that at $43,000/yr, they totally low-balled me---that was the lowest offer I got from any company, let alone one in Portland where the cost-of-living is a bit high. All of my other offers were for at least $9,000 above that of Intel.

But when I interviewed, I really got a funny feeling about the place, it just rubbed me the wrong way. I really got the feeling that they only wanted you there as long as you're a cheap employee, and I figured they'd boot me once I started to "get expensive" (i.e., when raises were long since overdue). Plus, I'd read long ago about the whole Randal Schwartz incident, so I kind of came into that interview with open eyes.

At any rate, you're damn right about Intel's aggressive hiring of college students. They were all over my school constantly (Virginia Tech). We're a pretty big electrical engineering/mech eng/comp sci school, but everyone I talked to didn't like Intel and all got lower-than-expected offers and that Intel wouldn't budge a cent on them, either. And we'd all heard that Intel was very much a high-pressure workplace.

Those are my disconnected thoughts about Intel. Basically affirming everything you've said. Since you don't discuss salaries, I add this They are trying to get a lot of talent, little to pay for, overwork people, and get away with it.

I hope other students also study closely the company that they are going to work for and examine their other options before making a career commitment.

I said no to Intel and am very happy today! 


Dear FACE Intel,

Thank you for posting my comments about Intel.  After reading my own comments on your web page I remembered a few more facts about my interview experience at Intel.  You can use anything in this email for publishing on your website, just don't post my name or my current employer, please.

The day I interviewed, I was excited. That was my second big-time interview out of college. But, I noticed that no one else there (at Intel facility) really seemed that excited. People really ran around a lot, and I noticed a lot of big frowns on peoples' faces. I remember thinking at the time, "these people didn't seem to be having fun." This was ultimately one of the big reasons why I didn't take the job, people just didn't seem happy there. (This was all before I saw the FACE Intel website.)

The hiring manager (whose name I cannot remember for the life of me, but I could probably find it), said one thing that really stuck out in my mind, it was something like this "I don't know much about all of this technical stuff, so I hire the best people I can so they can explain it to me." We went out to lunch just down the street there in Portland, and I really, really got a bad opinion of him. I can't back this up with any kinds of facts, but he seemed very much like the "good ol' boy" mentality---I don't know if that means anything to you, but it's very hard to put into words. He seemed like he was in the "in" crowd, I don't know. It's hard to explain. He just didn't seem on the up-and-up, he seemed like the kind of person who never gives you the whole truth, but maybe doesn't necessarily lie about it.

I asked some questions of the Intel employees who interviewed me. One question I asked of all of them was "What do you like least about the job?" And they all seemed to shift in their seats, but the same answer came out of a lot of them, but they kind of said it in a toned-down, it's-not-too-big-of-a-deal voice "sometimes kind of high pressure, sometimes a lot of hours".

I declined their offer (which as I said before to you was absolutely horrible). I don't think I told you this though, I got a phone call about, oh, three or four months later from someone in their human resources department asking me questions about why I didn't take the job there. I told him pretty much everything I've told you. They had a series of questions to answer, rating things from 1 to 5 and whatnot. I was somewhat surprised to get that call.

But regardless, I love my current employer. They treat people very well here, I don't think I'll ever have to deal with anything like the goings-on at Intel, and hopefully your site helps others to steer clear.

Keep up the good work, 

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What Intel does and does not tell you!

Intel is now a well-known name, thanks to the millions of dollars they have spent on advertising. You are probably aware of Intel's many accomplishments and products; BUT what do you know about the work environment at Intel? Why does Intel really need you and what aren’t they telling you in the colorful brochure handed to every candidate? One thing you should know from the start, Intel uses new college graduates as the workhorses of their labor force!

FACE Intel is a grass roots labor movement. We strive to make public Intel's abusive Human Resource policies and practices and influence a positive change. This organization exists because of Intel's corporate greed and victimization of its employees.

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                    Questions for Students to ask Intel recruiters and representatives

# Question Possible Intel Answer FACE Intel Comment
1 What can you tell me about the FACE Intel group and the allegations on their web site? They are a group of disgruntled employees and their allegations are baseless. Group members have been deliberately victimized by Intel and our allegations come from the following sources: factual human stories, lawsuits filed against Intel, court documents, statement of Intel officials in courtrooms/depositions, documented Intel executives statements, Intel documents and testimony of witnesses.
2 Is Intel a family and employee oriented company? Of course it is. Intel used to be a family and employee oriented company until the late 1980's. Since that time employees are treated as an expendable commodity. As Andy Grove (Chairman of Intel) and Craig Barrett (President of Intel) say and do. This is why Intel needs to be so aggressive in their recruitment of recent college graduates. They need new widgets for the machine to chew up and spit out.
3 How many hours and days in a week will I be expected to work? Normally, 40 hours a week, but sometimes a little more. You'll be assigned so many projects that working a 60 hour week is common, especially if you are an engineer (although you were hired and paid for a 40 hour week). A working week at Intel for engineers and technical employees is 60 hours or more. If you are a design engineer they will cater in some sandwiches so you don’t even need to stop to get a meal. Ranking and Rating (R&R) is the system that forces employees to work excessive hours on an ongoing basis. Employees are paid for 40 hours, and between two employees Intel gets away with not paying for the third one. Sooner or later the employee will get burned out and discarded by Intel.
4 If I get seriously injured at work, physically, emotionally or mentally, will Intel accommodate and support me, or will they use it against me? What is Intel's history on this? Of course Intel will support you all the way. If you sustain an injury that affects your work performance , and /or a modification to your job or working environment becomes necessary, highly likely you'll be targeted and terminated. To build a case against you Intel will take extreme measures. Instead of helping the injured employee, they fight ruthlessly against the employee. Due to Intel's cruelty many injured Intel employees have been totally devastated, i.e., financially, mentally and emotionally . You must read about Joe Friedrich!
5 How and why do people get terminated at Intel? Due to performance issues and /or for a cause. Majority of terminated employees had excellent performance histories before they were targeted. Some of the reasons for being victimized range from high salaries, accumulation of large stock options, due to health issues or development of a disability, or someone in management did not like them. You must read Discriminations and Targeting! If you visit an Intel facility you will notice very few people over the age of 50, and not many between 40 and 50. If you ask about retirement parties at Intel, the recruiter will not know how to answer because almost the only ones that ever make it to retirement are Intel executives.
6 Does Intel lay off workers? No, Intel has been growing constantly in the last few years. Intel does not "lay off", they "re-deploy". Many "re-deployed" employees find other jobs within the company, but others do not. How does Intel explain the termination of hundreds of employees? Intel will tell you these employees voluntarily "separated", but in fact they did not find other positions and had to find work elsewhere. It’s a great way to get around paying severance and avoiding the negative press that goes along with lay offs. Intel has developed and is practicing human resource policies in such a manner that they target employees in isolation. This way they get rid of specific employees without disrupting the total population. Intel saves tremendously at the price of employees devastation.
7 What is the average age of Intel's employees and has it remained unchanged in the last six years? The average age is 36 years and has remained that way from 1990 through 1996. This is what Intel executives claimed in response to FACE Intel's allegations of age discrimination (over 90% of people terminated by Intel are 40 years or older.). If Intel never hired anyone since 1990, all of their employees would be 6 years older, and the average age of employees would be higher than 36. This is not the case for Intel. They have been continuously hiring. In order to keep up with their growth. To compensate for the aging of employees, they either have to hire younger employees or terminate the older employees. Intel has been doing both. Seventy percent of new employees at Intel must be recent college graduates (typically this means under 25), and well over 90% of the employees that have been terminated or forced to leave are over the age of 40.
8 How much pressure and workload will be put on me at Intel? Work conditions would be normal like any other company. Everybody at Intel is constantly under pressure and stress due to the R&R system. Especially the technical force that is loaded with so many projects that they have to work at least over 60 hours a week to survive.
9 Do Intel employees work in fear of losing their job? No. If employees perform to the their job description level, their employment will not be at jeopardy. YES. A high percentage of Intel employees are constantly reacting to the fear and intimidation created by Intel's R&R policies. Any employee that has a dip in productivity is subject to a rating classification of "Slower than their Peers" or "Needs Improvement" which is part of Intel's "targeting process" and can lead to termination. At a minimum, it means no increase of salary and no stock options for one year, and specific performance requirements for 30 to 90 days.
10 Is it true that Intel only hires the best students? Yes that is true. Intel only hires people with the best minds, skill set, knowledge, and past performance. You need to realize that Intel hires the best college students and then ranks them on a bell curve. So, as a 3.9 GPA student you could fall in the bottom 10% of new hires and become a victim of Intel's R&R System.
11 Doesn't it also mean that people working at Intel for several years are excellent employees? Yes, but not in all cases and across the board. There are some exceptions. That is true in the majority of the cases. The employees evaluation record (Intel's R&R) is indicative of that fact. But after the employee is targeted for termination, all of a sudden you see a drastic change in the performance of the employee, and this is reflected in their records. These changes are artificially created, induced, and reflected as part of a so called "constructive" discharge process, which is basically building a case against an employee to be able to legally terminate them. The majority of actions taken against employees are highly suspect in their motivation and have very little to do with actual performance and merit of the employees.
12 Is it true that Intel is constantly looking for people that have patents or talents that Intel needs? YES! The abuse is that Intel will terminate these people after they have taken the knowledge needed. There are many cases and evidence to prove that Intel is constantly looking for people with unique talents, patents, knowledge and secrets or product knowledge of Intel's competitors. This is done directly through their recruiters or headhunters. Then they entice them with the best incentive, compensation, relocation, and stock option package. After the particular knowledge is drawn out of the new employee, they are targeted for termination. Further, the employee cannot take with them their own patents, knowledge and ideas. Intel requires all employees to sign an agreement that basically signs away the individuals own Intellectual property.
13 Is it true that a lot of Intel employees are seeking psychological and psychiatric help due to the work inflicted stress? No, that is not true. It has been our experience that psychiatrists and psychologists in the cities where Intel has a major site (5 in the U.S.) are treating several Intel employees for job-related stress and depression. Anecdotal data has shown that psychiatrists, psychologists, and other therapists in these cities consider Intel a guaranteed source of income.
14 Are any of my benefits subject to forfeiture? No, they are not Yes they are. Intel can change or cancel employees' benefits any time and for any reason.
15 Is it true that Andy Grove (Chairman and former President of Intel) with his own voice says long term employment is impossible? This is not true. Mr. Grove's book, "Only the Paranoid Survive", is about his philosophy that made Intel a success giant. The book is also offered in audio cassette format. The audio preface of the book is done by Andy himself. Andy clearly says that long term employment is not possible. Relying on Andy's own statement, we can safely conclude that Intel has been lying to their employees and students by constantly brainwashing them with false information that employees of Intel will securely work until retirement.

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Questions that students must ask themselves

# Question FACE Intel Comment
1 Do I expect to be treated fairly? You will not be treated fairly at Intel. You will be plotted against, bombarded with falsified information, degraded and highly likely, sooner or later, terminated.
2 What is more important to me - the working environment or the compensation that I receive? You may receive good pay (although, Intel is not among the highest paid employers in the industry), but it will not make up for the highly stressful, predatory environment you will be working in.
3 Do I expect that Intel will target me for termination? If you are an excellent employee and move up through the ranks, you will make more money and will accumulate lots of stock options. Then you will become a prime target for termination.
4 As Intel is telling me, do I think that employees are Intel's most valuable assets? Employees are Intel's most expendable assets. If you have not already, you must read process of elimination.
5 Do I expect Intel to keep its promises to me? Intel's promises are more "lip service" than anything else. The function it serves is to create false perception and diversion.
6 As I am paid for, do I expect to work a normal 40-hour workweek and have the weekends to enjoy? Expect to work very long hours and many weekends. It’s not unusual for employees to be called while on vacation.
7 Do I plan on having a life outside of Intel? Intel will become the biggest and most time consuming thing in your life. Your life outside Intel will not be of quality. You will think, talk and live Intel. Many marriages have ended because of one spouse or the other being "married to Intel".
8 Do I expect to work for Intel and live a long time? Not per Intel's management training. The long hours and cutthroat work environment will shorten your life span. That is if they do not target you and/or drive you to commit suicide.
9 Do I plan on having a spouse and children and making family life a priority before Intel? Intel wants to, and will, become the most important thing in your life. Otherwise you will not survive working for them.
10 Do I think I will work for a long time for Intel? As Andy Grove (Chairman of Intel) says, "It is impossible that anyone can have a long-term employment at Intel".
11 Do I think that Intel has a lot of good managers? The majority of managers at Intel are unethical, have low standards and are back stabbers. If they are otherwise they cannot survive at Intel.
12 Do I think I will get a pay raise every year if I work hard? You will work very long and hard hours. But if you are Ranked and Rated as "trending slower" or "needs improvement" you will receive no raise. And if you get this ranking or rating two consecutive times, or twice in three years, you will be terminated.

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We have done your homework, now you make the right choice!

(our ongoing research will result further expansion of this list)

Hewlett Packard 100 Bests 100 Bests A+   * * * * *
IBM 100 Bests   A+ WTA * * * *
Xerox 100 Bests 100 Bests B WTA x 2 * * * * *
Motorola 100 Bests   B WTA * * *
Texas Instrument     A+ WTA * * *
Solectron   100 Bests   WTA x 2 * * * *

Note: FACE Intel's recommendations are based on other institution's ratings and a sample survey of former and or current employees of the above mentioned companies.

For more information please read: Is Intel a Great Place to Work?



MBNQAW Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award Winner
CPERSR California Public Employees Retirement System Rating
CMI Couldn't Make It
CW 100 BC Computerworld 100 Best Companies
FACEISS FACE Intel Sample Survey
WMM 100 BC Working Mothers Magazine 100 Best Companies
WPTW Worst Place To Work
WTA Won The Award
WTA x 2 Won The Award Twice
* 5 Stars = Outstanding--------------No Star = Very Bad

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Now you know THE REST OF THE STORY, as we stated above, the information in this web site has been derived from factual human stories, lawsuits filed against Intel, court documents, statements of Intel officials in courtrooms/depositions, documented Intel executives statements, Intel documents and testimony of witnesses.

We encourage you to challenge Intel recruiters, interviewers, managers, Human Resource representatives, and Intel executives with the questions that we have provided here for you. Be aware of the deceitful responses, diversionary accusations, and empty promises.

If they tell you anything negative about our group members you should understand that naturally they do not have any other option. Per Intel performance review documents and achievement awards, FACE Intel group members have had been excellent employees prior to Intel's predatory targeting.

If you have other choices or offers from other companies you can discuss them with us and we'll help you to make a healthier decision. But if you decide to work for Intel, since now you know the nature of the beast, ask them to present all of their claims and promises for the present and future in writing, that document will save you a lot of grief in future.

At all times cover your bases and secure your future by documenting in detail your accomplishments, meetings, important comments of coworkers and management. Never fail to keep a copy of all of your documents at home in a chronological order. Creating a precise diary of your employment is a very valuable resource for future references. These employment related documents could be a precious resource for many purposes, e.g., composing a resume or litigation if it becomes necessary.

Please review the rest of our web site and if there is any questions do not hesitate to send us an e-mail.

Again try to work for other companies, where work environment is friendly, you will be appreciated, empowered and you will be happier, companies like:

HP, IBM, Texas Instrument, AMD, Motorola, Xerox.


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